Inconsistencies of Australia's Games Classification System

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Bravo! Great vid!

Now I know that video games and film are different but as an interesting aside I encourage people to look at the names of some of the films that have been approved for sale in the ACT/NT: www.classification.gov.au/...

You'll spot some crazy stuff on the list! [WTF] I wonder what kind of sick mind would think that "ROCCO'S DOUBLE ANAL FESTIVAL" or "CUM GLAZED" is suitable for adult consumption yet would not allow stylised (almost cartoon like) violence to be purchased by adults.
[Facepalm]

Why can't they just bloody have an R18 rating, this is beyond ridiculous! [Rage]
Well made video with some excellent points made in it. Still, I WILL GET THIS GAME!! No matter how hard i try.

capt_oats said:
Why can't they just bloody have an R18 rating, this is beyond ridiculous!




I know, it's getting tiresome now.
send this fantastic video onto them!
Australia = fail
We live in the worst Country in the world im sick of all the stupid laws in this country, and per capita we have the worst crimes in the world and all because of the Australian gov. cant do this cant watch that cant play this give us a break Australia we are adults let us make our own minds for us and our children you have done enough damage to our children already, and you send our guys off to war and is Fu*king real you dickheads
Wow, Very good video.
I find it stupid that they think to ban a game that has unrealistic features for gorey outcomes such as a spinning hat which cuts someone in half opposed too stomping on someones head or pulling someone's head off with your bare hands (If you're strong enough?)
I want to saw someone groin first damn it!

gammaray13 said: and per capita we have the worst crimes in the world and all because of the Australian gov.


now i highly doubt that.

Video speaketh the truth... reminded me how awesome madworld was.
It is getting so tiresome that we dont have an R18+. If you agree with this video please spread it to your friends on Twitter and Facebook :)

Ben said: I want to saw someone groin first damn it!


Are you trying to come out of the closet?
Great video, it makes a good point. :D :D :P :P
Thanks for all the positive feedback guys. I might make another video on this subject some point soon....I have an idea brewing.
Great Video. As soon as I found out about the ban, I instantly thought of Splatterhouse. I think i'll import, just to spite Australia.

ResEvilfan said: Australia = fail


+1
It's time to get serious on the lousy government. I've thought about it thoroughly, it's time...for action! Seriously!!
"time to wake up" and ban those previous mentioned games on the video ;)

though that cutting in half fatality is pretty gruesome haha!
shame about the game!

dossaer said: Bravo! Great vid!
Now I know that video games and film are different but as an interesting aside I encourage people to look at the names of some of the films that have been approved for sale in the ACT/NT: www.classification.gov.au/...
You'll spot some crazy stuff on the list! I wonder what kind of sick mind would think that is suitable for adult consumption yet would not allow stylised (almost cartoon like) violence to be purchased by adults.



I believe that stuff is classified as "X", that is, adult content that is explicit and not deemed to be acceptable for sale in retail establishments.
Am I the only one that sees a difference between the allowed ones and Mortal Kombat?
Even though AvP was actually resubmitted, it surprises me that MK hasn't been allowed into Australia at all. This is the main fuel for piracy in Oz.
Banning a game is like trying to put out a fire with Kerosene, with the fire being piracy. Even if we get an R18+, retailers may become sloppy and/or forget to check ID on purchase.
Still, kids as young as 10 are allowed to watch the vulgarity of South Park and the sheer horror of Jersey Shore (*shudders*) on commercial TV without any control.
Anyway, the OFLC (or is it OLFC?) need to leave their cave and see the changes in the world today. </rant>
From from you've shown there, I think I actually agree with the classifiation board. But I'm not someone who would enjoy any of those games, I definatity didn't enjoy madworld which is the only one of those I'm played.

Gaetano said: I believe that stuff is classified as "X", that is, adult content that is explicit and not deemed to be acceptable for sale in retail establishments.



I'm simply pointing out that those titles were viewed and deemed suitable for sale/hire with a classification (in ACT/NT where X rated material can be bought/sold/rented).

I find that kind of material far more offensive than animated violence (interactive or otherwise).

Which is more a highlight of my views on the flaws of the rating system as opposed to the inconsistencies of the reviews, as I said, I know that video games and film are different but I find that to be an interesting side topic.
I don't understand they don't just use PEGI.

Gaetano said: I don't understand they don't just use PEGI.



+1

*likes*

*thumbs up*

Inconsistencies of Australias Games Classification System
I don't know about this but does New Zealand have a R18+ for Video games ? If so that is pretty crap that a small Country like NZ has the rating and we don't -_-

Rusty12 said: I don't know about this but does New Zealand have a R18+ for Video games ? If so that is pretty crap that a small Country like NZ has the rating and we don't


Yes they do, yes we crap! [Facepalm]

Rusty12 said: I don't know about this but does New Zealand have a R18+ for Video games ? If so that is pretty crap that a small Country like NZ has the rating and we don't


Smaller countries allow the death penalty.

Geographical size or population means nothing. It only shows we are conservative when it comes to most things.
I have to agree with the sensors on this one, not giving the game an MA rating, it really is an R especially with that last finishing move shown in the vid. It just shows how much we really do need an R rating, though I like many people here and irl have been saying that for years.
man, that kung lao fatality was awesome.
If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be), doesn't the refusal of classification have something to do with the fact that in MK, the characters are clearly portrayed as people with feelings before the gruesome violence occurs as opposed to keeling monsters with no feeling or sense of emotion?

I heard it somewhere but it could well have nothing to do with anything.
I watched this video, and I have to say... I agree with the board. The violence is a lot more graphical and personal than in comparison to say, MadWorld. The characters you slaughter there are impersonal and do not have names, whereas in MK they do. I actually winced and shuddered at the fatalities. I felt kind of ill at the second one in particular.

I hate the idea of something being refused classification, but in this case I feel it is warranted.

iamtom said: I watched this video, and I have to say... I agree with the board. The violence is a lot more graphical and personal than in comparison to say, MadWorld. The characters you slaughter there are impersonal and do not have names, whereas in MK they do. I actually winced and shuddered at the fatalities. I felt kind of ill at the second one in particular.
I hate the idea of something being refused classification, but in this case I feel it is warranted.



go home
Tom has every right to have an opinion--- even if it's for refusing to sell MK in Australia, so don't ostracize him for that.

I do get where he means where even gore like that can get make you feel ill. Gore in movies and games are nothing to me, in fact, it tickles my funny bone quite a lot. However, I can never stand it in cartoon form, especially in anime. Yeah, it's still balls how the OFLC banned the game but it's surprising to some that, that level of gore makes people shudder.
au.gamespot.com/...

Looks like we will have to download it.
Wait...

You're talking about the "feelings" and "personal" and "names" of characters in a fighting game, a game where the main objective is to annihilate opposing characters?

I'm sorry, but the level of gore isn't diluted by the "personality" of the characters. How is the violence more "personal"; does it demand that you associate with the characters on an emotional level? Are you supposed to care about the characters? You choose a character based on skill AND FATALITY, not on personality and/or history. The backstory of the characters is just for show. If the OFLC did its job, it would realise that. No one is going to care if they perform a violent fatality on an opposing character, because:

A: You know they will still appear in the game if you choose to fight them
B: There is no progressive narrative where their demise is integral to the progression of the plot
C: It's a friggin' fighting game, and each fight stands on its own, not as part of some deep and "personal" plot where you will care that the characters have been sawed in half.

The violence is bordering slapstick, extremely gory, granted, but still slapstick.

Also, you don't actually engage with the gameplay on the same level as other games. Much of the fatality system is based on a single button push or button combination, as opposed to a quick-time event where your momentum and speed determines the effectiveness of the action (see the GOW3 scene where you push buttons quickly to rip a guys head off).

I am not saying MK is not gory. I'm saying that the diluted gore in other games (that is, gore that isn't at the level as in MK) is complimented by more engaging gameplay and an experience that is more reliant on a story and personality. MK is not reliant on personality and story, nor does it want you to give a crap about the characters. Of course each character is going to have a backstory. It would be a pretty dull, unimaginative game if they didn't.
Moral of the story is simply this. We do not have an R18+ rating and we bloody well should.

It's fine for a 15 year old to drive around Liberty City killing hookers, running over pedestrians and god knows what else yet it's not fine to play a fighting game?

It's fine to have blood and gore as zombies are torn in half in Dead Rising 2 but not fine for the same gore to appear in Left 4 Dead 2?

In my opinion no 15 year old should be playing those games, yet because we don't have any higher rating it is simply made available to them.

IT MAKES FREAKING SENSE TO INTRODUCE IT! Not for banned content but to make sure the content we currently have is CORRECTLY classified for the appropriate age group.

heller said:
It's fine to have blood and gore as zombies are torn in half in Dead Rising 2 but not fine for the same gore to appear in Left 4 Dead 2?



Left 4 Dead is a FPS, it adds another whole level of immersion, as you see it all from your eyes, it's your hands.
All you're doing is making them regret accepting those other games and making sure they won't let any more by. -_-

I think the reason it's banned is they just don't like Katana. [WTF]

Azza123 said:

heller said:
It's fine to have blood and gore as zombies are torn in half in Dead Rising 2 but not fine for the same gore to appear in Left 4 Dead 2?


Left 4 Dead is a FPS, it adds another whole level of immersion, as you see it all from your eyes, it's your hands.



Still the same amount of violence exists. Just because a game is third person doesn't give it the right to be more violent in my books.
My question is: "Is taking pleasure in witnessing any form of gore or extremely graphic depictions of violence ever a good thing?"

For those who do, I would say they are definitely treading a fine line between 'entertainment', and simulated blood lust.
Tread carefully.

heller said:
Just because a game is third person doesn't give it the right to be more violent in my books.



No, it doesn't. But there is a difference between FP and TP, a big difference. FP games are generally more up close and personal; it's you killing those zombies right in the view of your eyes. Where as in TP, you have some distance, it's your character doing the damage and you have a distanced view.

Imagine GTA in first person; still think it'd be allowed? First person gives players a sense of simulation, realism.
GTA IV you play the character of Niko Bellic, therefore in first person mode you would be controlling that character.

Just like you play as Gordon Freeman in Half-Life, just like in Left 4 Dead you play one of the survivors, all with their own name and personality.

Not much difference if you ask me.
mortal kombat sucks anyway

but yes they do need to sort out their priorities

Gaetano said: Wait...
You're talking about the "feelings" and "personal" and "names" of characters in a fighting game, a game where the main objective is to annihilate opposing characters?
I'm sorry, but the level of gore isn't diluted by the "personality" of the characters. How is the violence more "personal"; does it demand that you associate with the characters on an emotional level? Are you supposed to care about the characters? You choose a character based on skill AND FATALITY, not on personality and/or history. The backstory of the characters is just for show. If the OFLC did its job, it would realise that. No one is going to care if they perform a violent fatality on an opposing character, because:
A: You know they will still appear in the game if you choose to fight them
B: There is no progressive narrative where their demise is integral to the progression of the plot
C: It's a friggin' fighting game, and each fight stands on its own, not as part of some deep and "personal" plot where you will care that the characters have been sawed in half.
The violence is bordering slapstick, extremely gory, granted, but still slapstick.
Also, you don't actually engage with the gameplay on the same level as other games. Much of the fatality system is based on a single button push or button combination, as opposed to a quick-time event where your momentum and speed determines the effectiveness of the action (see the GOW3 scene where you push buttons quickly to rip a guys head off).
I am not saying MK is not gory. I'm saying that the diluted gore in other games (that is, gore that isn't at the level as in MK) is complimented by more engaging gameplay and an experience that is more reliant on a story and personality. MK is not reliant on personality and story, nor does it want you to give a crap about the characters. Of course each character is going to have a backstory. It would be a pretty dull, unimaginative game if they didn't.



I see a wall of text, and all I'm reading is some mad.

I understand all your points, because I take the time to see where you're coming from. Could you not do me the courtesy? I'm not saying it should be dulled down so that, I dunno, they hit each other with flowers. I'm just saying the fatalities seem a bit overly violent this time around. I like Mortal Kombat, but I feel they pushed it a bit far this round.

I feel we should have the R18+ rating. It would make games like this restricted to those purely who want it. But, as we do not have it, I feel it is perfectly well and good for them to refuse it classification.

The other issue - of Customs seizing and fining importers - is stupid, though.

gammaray13 said:
go home



I posted this from home.

Why are you telling me to go home, where I am? Are you inflicted with madness, brother?
The lack of an R18+ rating has baffled me for a long time. The only possible reason I can see for it is as an easy scapegoat for the cause youth violence (when all the published studies I've read said that video games have a minor effect on actual violence, if any - and home environment and peer pressure had a much, much higher effect), and an easy way to placate the Christian lobby groups (because, regardless of the facts, adding an R18+ rating is going to get them steamed up).
And despite not really liking or playing any of the banned games, I haven't kept my annoyance or bafflement to the games forums - I've taken part in all the online surveys/petitions etc to make sure the right people know that I think it's wrong. The only feedback I've had so fair is a response from the Governor General's office asking for my snailmail address so they could contact me further if necessary. Via email. *boggle*

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